Why Is America Replacing God with Science
72Why has the world replaced their personal relationship with God for the worship of science
...Why Did The World Replace God With Science?
Slowly over time ,mankind has made decisions not based on the word of God , and based on the word of God ,despite laws,oaths,and creeds written with well intended goals.,through out the ages, what exaclty is the state of our world now you may wonder.
The Original question has been posed by Tony Beck.
It Is A Global Human Problem Not just America's Problem
of course anyone can point the finger and blame evil people , evil organisations , evil countries,problematic periods of history, Christian theory behind wars ,Atheist theories behind wars , all of these people and theories. And you will be correct. Is that all of the answer, and what of the solution to resolve?
The truth of God says ,The Heart Of Man Is Desperately Wicked, that's all men (and women), we actually find it easier to be bad than good....that's a provoctive statement to read ,right , but think about it , it is most natural for us to be lazy, dishonest ,mean,self-seeking ,aggressive and arrogant. We actually have to unlearn and reprogramme our natural tendencies to 'be good',to do good and to improve good, and now to fight for good.
Note how the self help industry ,has profited from mans dilemma. How to change your life, how to improve your life, where did I go wrong, how to find the real you , what color is my parachute, is fear holding you back ---on an on , seminars to re-teach , re-focus.re-birth,rejuvenate, re-invent,restart.....
We reap what we sow (and its looking to be a bumper crop)
It was thought to be open-minded and non-suffocating to leave God out of health studies reform for high-schools ,loosely translated ,teach the kids how to have sex (that is safe according to mans laws) when to have it (when you want) and who to have it with (still your choice) with the intention of more education ,means less ignorance equals less pregnancies.
It hasn't happened ,in fact the figures keep rising ? Is mans wisdom working there.
..Even if Religion makes you gag ,use the Scientific version ,cause and effect...still not working right? Seems to me since we are sufficiently educated on how a baby is made ,abstinence is an obvious solution....but obviously not! Man( and woman) must have what they want , when they want it and anytime they chose it. We will not be controlled. We are free independent thinkers . We know whats best for our lives ,because after all ,it is our life! We are stubborn , we are self-seeking ( even good things , we do to please ourselves) Its really strange isn't it , if a car breaks down , a refrigerator quits working , or lil Johnny gets sick , we know what to do ,don't we ? Take it to a place or person who knows how to fix it/them. Yet when our lives, neighbours ,societies ,governments ,spin outta control ,do we ask the manufacturer , creator , God how to fix it ?
Why did the world replace God with Science? Could it be that Science doesnt require a change of heart, an acknowledgement ,honour,praise or glory?. Science can be objective ,unchallenged,and exist silently. Science can not replace God ,but God said ..
2 Peter 3:10-11 it says "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what then will all this Scientific knowledge do to help us?
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God Is Science NOT God versus Science!
No , because that just might mean doing it someone elses way!
And our rule makers, politicians must please the people, or at least seen to be pleasing the people. We all know that we cannot please the people all the time. But if we please the people who will keep us in power ,well , that means not pleasing someone else-right?
For the non-Christians ,atheists, there argument naturally would be God doesn't exist period,so why adhere to anything religious ,and don't mix religion with politics ,morals or anything else ,thank you very much!! ( then usually a barrage of what atrocious acts were performed in the name of god etc etc)....I agree on that point too , nasty people have committed some nasty crimes , religionists and atheists alike.
I am not debating the who,what ,wheres here. I am observing the outcomes ,and solutions both sides suggest.
Make it an even playing field. All Religions including Atheism should be taught ,what they believe in ,why they believe it .
But Dont Replace One With The Other, That's Communism ,Not Democracy!!
God versus Science
Logic If something Ain't Broke ,Dont Try To fix It.
If teaching kids in school about the values of kindness, honesty ,integrity etc helps them be better citizens , respectful to the elderly , helpful in their communities, responsible leaders etc,that's a 'don't need fixing thing' It used to taught through religion ,now its taught through another topic....I dont have a problem with that , but is it working? everynight the news at 6pm appears to be saying its not........"thats broke, fix it"
You have the right to "not swear on the bible' in court ,did you know that ?
Even God said "let your yes be yes, and your no be no" so swearing on the Bible is one of those man-made rules , God didn't make it. (Actually he says alot about 'the appearances of good" and its many guises..
God abhorred the righteous who liked to announce their achievements and holiness .Jesus rebuked them saying although their robes were clean ( wore the right suit) their hearts were vile and like the inside of a sepulchre (tomb!) yuk that filthy.
Some even more enlightened countries boast of being "A Christian Nation" and we have all heard statements like ...oh we are Christians ,not like those uncivilised places or Muslim , oh my ,and they convince themselves that because a census record shows x per cent ticked 'Christian" then their nations must be Christian!
That is no more true than saying , I was born in a garage ,so I must be a car.
The Video's below are over 9mins long , but Ive tried to be objective and show both points of view.
Part 2 Alister M'Grath Responds To Christopher Hitchins
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I completely agree with Pete
Hi Pete
I would have a problem with a being who commanded I bow down to him for the reasons you quote too.
The point you make about billions not being Christian is significant to ,and you would also agree that our world is not too healthy (in a the greater scheme of things).
Hitler ,Stalin , Lenin were not Christians either ,but as I pointed out it is not a them and us , its humans , mankinds evil ,would you agree...
Even if you forgot for a moment 'labels' and stereotypes evil is evil ...bad is bad...and like Politics we are all free to choose ....
Thankyou both for reading.
This is very thought provoking.
Davinagirl3 ,thankyou for your comment and yes I felt challenged to try and answer the question in an analytical way. God loves a tryer ,lol.
this is DEEP!! Pete, I never really thouht about God forcing me to bow down or I am screwed.I was always hoping it was a relationship that I acknowledged He created the universe and that I worshiped Him for making me and for loving me and sacrificing His life for me. He has His best interests for me. There's no earthly reason He doesn't exist, because otherwise I would have alredy died in the field already without His supreme plan for me to continue on a little longer...
Hi Asher , thankyou for your comments and witness. It is a deep topic and its good for people to think about ALL things (I think).
Hope and Faith are not bad things in a Supreme being is not a bad thing ,if we follow Christs example, not a man's claiming to be Christ-like. That is my opinion. And Im glad Asher you are here to tell the tale too!
":The trurh of God says The heart of man is desperately wicked? Do you mean the bible? Genisis says that Eve was decieved by the serpent by claiming that God was lying to her about eating from the tree of knowledge as the serpent claimed that eating from the tree of knowledge would make her and Adam Gods? Remember it was Eve who was the one who the serpent picked to trick into eating from the tree of life ,is that because Adam was too smart or faithful to God and yet because of his desire for Eve he ate of the apple.You would think that Eve would have already known that the serpent was lying if she had eaten from the apple first,so what advantage would she get from getting Adam to partake of the apple? Is this an allegory or story to try to explan the truth in simple terms for those who wouldn't understand or believe the actual story for someone who was not a scientically minded individual. You can tell I'm just trying to be logical here.
You say "it is most natural for us to be lazy,dishonest,mean,selfish,agressive and arrogant"
I disagree.I think we learned to be that way because we were able to live an easy life without having to work for it ,such as in the garden of eden and that we were thrust into a hard life of survival through hard work which brought out the materialistic side of our being as you described and evil people arn't lazy at least not when it comes to being evil and the serpent was instrumental and was even allowed to do this to Adam and Eve so,they could learn the difference between good and evil and knowledge such as science intentionally.We are constantly being tested by God. Remember God is the master gardener and knows how to seperate the "Wheat" from the chaft or the "Gold" from the dross meaning seperating the precious metal from the waste material.For us this translates "the pure of heart" from those who are tolerated to test the pure of heart.
God doesn't want to control us,he could have done that without our asking ! We are here to learn how to live with each other and the earth not that we have been doing a good job. .Even a child has to learn things without having to rely on their parents every minute by trial and error.
Hi Someone,
Gosh Im not sure , where to start ,but I wll do my best.
American King James Version) says "The heart is deceitful above all things,and desperately wicked".
Your Question "What advantage would eve have gotten by enticing Adam to eat of the apple? my answer would be , Eve knew that she was Adam's helpmate,therefore would expect Adam to be 1st in charge. I think as far as Eve goes, its called passing the buck ,or having a scapegoat to fall ba ck on ( new awareness gained no doubt) and supports first scripture above.
The whole story is symbolic since there really is no mention of apples in the bible, the description was of how disobedience (the fall) happened and the consequences of that action. Hard work and increased childbirth came about as a result of that disobedience,not because we had an easy life( although Im sure it was idealic before) Garden of Eden etc) but because of sin, least thats what the Bible says.
I know it sounds harsh the words , lazy arrogant,mean ,selfish etc, and certainly many people are the opposite too ,but in our natural selves (if we had no consquences) that is what mankind gravites too...
Who wouldnt want to go to school or work? ( if they didnt have too)
Who hasnt hurt someone? ( they might not have meant too , but they did)
Who hasnt lied
Who hasnt said something mean?
I agree we have to learn how to be good , because we already know how to be bad.
I appreciate the time you took to write such a lengthy comment and I certainly dont claim to know all the answers ,far from it. So even though theology is interesting I guess the purpose of my hub was to see why our value system has changed and the consquences from it etc.
Even if people do not agree with the 10 Commandments its still better than any other piece of legislation than any other Government anywhere has successfully lead nations on.
http://www.gotquestions.org/ this site may also be helpful
If you accept one religion....you must accept all religions. Who decides which religious doctrine is correct? Can religions come together and decide a basic concept of God? I can't imagine a teacher trying to teach about God without severe controversy.....all teachers would be bald headed in no time.
Hello,
We need to understand some basics here otherwise we go around in never ending circles.
God is the potter and we are the clay. With that clay He can make a lovely vase or a toilet bowl. The decision is solely His and we have no say in the matter.
Everything is to God's glory and I mean everything, for the Lord Jesus Christ was The Lamb SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
Before the Godhead created the universe and our planet and Adam & Eve it was already planned that the Lord Jesus Christ would become flesh and die in order that man be saved and receive Eternal Life. This means Adam and Eve were always going to fail in the Garden. There could not have been any other outcome.
They 'chose' to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil but in reality this was not a real choice for it was already foreknown by the Godhead. Nothing takes the Godhead by surprise. Now, because of this mistake by Adam & Eve mankind is born into sin and is thereby a slave to sin. Slaves have no freedom so they do not have freewill.
In the fallen condition man makes 'choices' and he can 'choose' to do good (liberal do-gooding or 'righteous' works) or he can 'choose' to do evil, but whatever he does, either way, it makes no difference, for he still fallen, lost and unsaved and a slave to sin.
Only the Lord Jesus Christ can set a man or woman free hence He said "The Truth shall set you free". We are set free only when we are Born Again.
All religion, including the Christian religion, is man made at the behest of the Devil.
Following the Lord Jesus Christ is not religion - period.
Hi Tom lol@ baldheaded.
Gosh wish I had all the answers ,Id be a wealthy girl if I did. It is indeed a profitable industry out there if all the 'enlightment helps' advertisements are anything to go by,including religious sites.
I respect good wherever it is evident in so called religious environments or secular ones.
I think they can come together ,or at least function without hostilty if some basic concepts are honored , like respect, courtesy and love.
I also believe that Religion is man made , in other words many traditional events,how they are celebrated, attire,foods,worship,dates,times,hieracy,church membership,creeds,and more are laws and traditions man placed on 'The Church' but are not altogether consistant with what Jesus taught his disciples at all.
I guess my knowledge and personal experience with Christ is the only thing I can speak with any certainty on, the rest (theology side)is like a journey that I nibble on or discard. Thankyou for your insight Tom.
I agree with you 100%! This is a great hub, thank you:)
Hi Yes , before I forget can I maybe suggest you do a Hub on your answer ,because you have so much content there ,that you feel equally passionate about.
Your comment is wordy but I think you are bascially saying
Gods has offered his son as a mediator by which to repair our separation from God, yes that is true.
God is omniscient , all knowing is also true.
Kinda getting off topic though and was hoping it wont turn into a Christian versus kinda debate.
Yes ,wondering why you think mankind has replaced God with something else? or better still maybe share a hub on it .
Thankyou for reading my hub , i hope you enjoyed it.
Miss JamieD lovely to see you and appreciate your encouragement, thankyou!
Ah, my friend, you've stirred the pot! Bravo!
Hello EagleKiwi
I have already written a Hub on man's non existent freewill.
"Yes, wondering why you think mankind has replaced God with something else?"
Man replaced God with something else in the Garden i.e. The Devil. Man does the Devil's will whether he knows it or not, or whether he acknowledges it or not, so he therefore puts his belief and faith in science instead of in God. In Truth he is not capable of doing anything else.
He worships the creation too e.g. brainwashed carbon footprint freaks, global warming and climate change eco-nutters and tree-huggers etc. etc. instead of the Creator.
Don't get me wrong, I am not judging these people for they can do nothing else for they are, after all, lost and unsaved. The have no Spiritual knowledge and understanding, and until The Father calls them to His Son they will remain that way.
Hi Candie ,thanks for stopping by my friend.
yes2truth
At the risk of sounding rational rather than a religious zealot !
You claim that men are all slaves unless they come to the father.through his son.I agree with you in as far as learning of Jesus "Christ" and his teachings.men may be slaves to ingnorance of rightiousness.If you mean slaves as it is traditionaly meant ,we are only because "we choose" to be. Is that free will or not?
As for science.Those who "choose" science as a way to the truth will only come to understanding if they also include metaphysical beliefs in their thinking which comes very close to religious beliefs.It seems to me that this qualifies as the father calling them to his son as you say.
someonewhoknows
Let me make it plain, I claim nothing for The Truth is not claimed it is declared or taught or preached and then it's either received with gladness by those The Father is calling or rejected by those who cannot understand it. There is a third dimension to all this but I won't go into that now.
I also said The Father calls people to His Son. No one can choose to follow The Lord of their own accord or choosing.
In the fallen condition man has no choices for as I said in my earlier posting whatever he 'chooses' to do, whether good or evil, he is still fallen and a slave to sin. His only escape is The Father's call to His Son. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can set a man or woman free and thereby give them freewill.
From what you said here I can only assume that when you say "fallen condition" you mean the human body and it's brain ,rather than a spirit inhabiting that body and brain!
Just as an animal has no free will ,but just instincts and responds automatically without free will.
The fallen condition is the condition that Adam and Eve were in when they were thrown out of the Garden. They made a big mistake and believed the Devil rather than their Creator. That's all there is to it and mankind has been believing the Devil ever since.
Man has a human spirit whereas beasts do not. Man can 'choose' to do anything he likes, as I said, but he is still fallen and he cannot change that condition. Only The Father can do this and set him free.
There are only two wills, God's will and the Devil's will and man's will can only be either of these two depending upon whether or not he is saved or lost. There is no such thing as man's will.
Whatever man does within the fallen condition is the Devil's will, because he ate of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil instead of the Tree of Life.
So,when Jesus says I'm in the father and the father is in me he is saying that God the father is working through him.
I know we are intended to be extentions of God experiancing his creation.
I also believe God intends for his creation to expand and to do and that he created individual souls to learn all their is to learn about creation as well as be good stewards of creation.
Why do you think science in and of itself is of the devil.
I agree with you as well, that the world has tried to replace God with Science. Especially when it comes to trying to clone a human. Are they mad, insane??!! We were created by God, for the family of God. We are His pride and Joy, created in His image. This world is getting sicker as the days goes by. For it's no longer in God we trust, it's no longer about trying to protect our kids from seeing half nacked women and men on tv, it's no longer about teaching what is right concerning Jesus, and in fact they don't even want you to say Jesus. But you can cuss on regular tv so all can hear, you can flunt around your so called life partner even when little kids are around confusing the mess out of them. I could go on but I am going to stop. Good hub though. God bless
By the way you have some good hubs
Hey Twill , great to see you and thankyou for taking the time to comment. Over all moral standards have slipped and it is reflected in the boundaries the media and entertainment have (or dont have)....I am not against free choice, but wheres the evenly balanced choice?
Thankyou for your compliment too , on my Profile page blurb , there is a link to sign up. I bet you have alot of insight and fun things to write about too!! Go On , you can do it , I will help , people are helpful here.
Hi Eaglekiwi--It's depressing to see the U.S. get all whipped up about this God versus Science thing. I don't think there really is such a war. Lots of scientists are religious and lots of religious people like and use science. The two are not opposites, they're completely different. Religion is a belief system that many people feel helps them to lead better lives. Science is a method of inquiry, not a belief system. Many right wing Christian leaders in the U.S. present science as not only a belief system but as one that is opposed to religion, but that's because they don't understand science. Even Albert Einstein talked about God (he doesn't play dice with the universe per Einstein), so the two sides have no reason to fight each other.
I think many Americans are falling away from mainstream religion though because of Christianity's far right incursions into politics. I can tell you for sure that it's gotten a lot uglier over here over the past 20 years and I do think it will get uglier. I've always felt like, if God is good, then He doesn't need someone to beat me over the head with a club to get me to notice that. A good product doesn't require an abusive salesperson. A lot of Americans are sick of God's abusive American sales reps. If they would back off people might feel safer to talk about their own beliefs more openly.
pgrundy- I agree, I have always had respect for learning period, and Science is perhaps the most amazing topics,from simplicity to infinity.
A couple of lengthy comments have perhaps thrown or expanded points of interest,(off my radar,somewhat) pity really because thats exactly what doesnt benefit many people (my opinion)...
Another opinion I have, and I base it on conversations with my husband and a couple of new neighbor friends is that one of the characteristics of the American people is ,they vocally express themselves quickly and confidently, and perhaps that is one reason they tend to rise to the top as strong communicators or orators. (Missionaries and Evangelists are both popular and frowned on overseas)but I think its better than coming across as lukewarm n wishywashy)
So we tend to see that alot in media Religious programming, Internationally and Nationally.
I quite like the diversity( not meaning the over the top sects) which for the main part are open ,and not as hidden or threatened in some other countries.
For example , if I walk to BiLo from my apartment here in SC , I pass by a Synogogue , a Methodist , a Baptist and a Vietnamese Church, thats a 25 min walk. I like that, freedom to express religion! its in the Constituion right?
Separation of Church and State, I still need to read up on that properly , because on the face of it , I dont know enough how it works. Once again ,media cloud the issue somewhat.
I never liked how the Church Of England was/is the foundation of the Commonwealth and Politics etc, and the opposite in effect to the USA...etc ( Politically).
Abusive and rude anything is sickening and like you say contrary to the message.
And it also hurts the real people who dont preach forcefully ,but quietly go about serving people, and their God humbly and respectfully.
I have always attributed God and Science to being inspeparable, and I dont know how or when they became seperated?...I wish both sides would discuss Science as Science and not to score points.
Thankyou for your sharing your perspective Pam.
The difficulty I have as someone who majored in Physics in Secondary School - and I do love reading Hawking, and Dawkins still - and then went on to study biblical theology, and is now a political activist, is that religion and politics just don't mix well. Should political policy be influenced by religious beliefs? To some extent, yes, after all you wouldn't vote or run for a party that you don't agree with.
The trouble though, is that people use politics as a way to force their religious practices on people who don't follow that particular religion. People should never obey God or Jesus or Allah (or whatever deity you have) just because it's against the law to disobey. They should only obey their chosen God out of an act of love. Forced obedience does not bring about "salvation", but rather makes people resentful of this "God" they are supposed to obey whether they believe in him or not. If you obey a god that you don't believe in, don't love, than you are just as damned as someone who doesn't obey at all.
As far as Science goes, since I have studied Physics and Theology, it's not that "God IS Science" or "God vs. Science" (To which I think a restraining order should be imposed). The fact of the matter is that Science is a study of the natural, and Theology is the study of the supernatural. There are many things Science will never be able to explain, and that's when we turn to a pastor, or priest, or imam, or rabbi, or the psychic hotline or whatever else you will for help. There are certain things theology does not answer. The bible and Q'uran both mention the blue skies, but do not say WHY the sky is blue. That's where we go to a physicist for answers.
While I do see Science and Religion as being seperate, I do not see them as being opposed, and wish that all the science vs God hype would be put to a halt. Obviously, God (or any other deity) did create the natural wonders around us, but it just doesn't seem right to explain everything away with "because God made it that way." I, for one, feel that's an abuse of God, and a waste of the mind he gave us.
Great hub, Kiwi. I think there's a very simple answer to your title question. Because we can. There is so much going on in the world today that I cannot find any other rational explanation for.
Ive said it before on a different post but God is a gentleman and will not go where he is not invited. The thing that is happening is America and Britain are hell bent on remove the Christian God from knowledge = its now all about accepting all faiths but it does seem this acceptance is over and above the faith that has blessed both countries when God had control over them! Remove God you remove the blessings he bistows apon his nations!
I have a question for anyone .Is God logical? I recall a new testament statement"let those who have ears to hear,"hear." Is faith blind? Are works dead? If we have no choice how can do any of these things,and if God controls us totally we shouldn't be able to do any of the above unless he allowed it,as some say.
Are we God's puppets or the Devils puppets as some would say,we can't be both can we?
To me D.N.A. is proof enough that our physical bodies were created not by us and as for clonning I'm with those who are against it.
You're so on point. You see thats the thing people dont get - all thats in the scriptures is purpose. They talk about doing 'good' why? Why the hell I'm I supposed to be motivated to do good. Why the hell should I care for my fellow man. Boom! Because God cares. Simple answer? Hell Yes! And how has the complicated answers of Science helped us thus far...I say, it has helped us about, hmmmm...zilch, nada, nothing, onwero! Catch my drift, Eagle?
Thanks Jane for making comment , I did not major in Politics or Religion so my experience and knowledge is perhaps in laymans terms , personal, or life. I think I was raised on the concepts of Science long before I knew all the labels.Cause and effect or logic is a great teacher.
If politics is 'for the people' and the people profess Christianity or a Religious god or even goddess,then its fair to see Religion reflected in Politics, in the USA (and other governments) it indeed had more prominance with founding fathers than it does now.
Any belief system should never be 'forced' I totally agree.
@Irohner , Yes , and I risk being thought a nut ,but I would go further and say could it also be fulfilling scripture ,where it says "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood , but against unseen forces in the heavenlies" as always thankyou for your input.
@Galaxy , I agree God will not force himself on us ( Christians do, proclamining God told them too) No what God did command was Go tell all the world of me,which is stark contrast to ...Do it my way , or youre going to hell!
What bothers me is today schools allow several topics ,under the subject of Science...and High Schools and Universities pump all these doctrines and hypothesis and theories ,its no wonder ,the kids are bitter and confused. That is why balance is important or how can anyone choose which principles ,values to live by anymore.
Analogy If you have two dogs , and feed one a good diet, and the other with "any ole scraps" which dog is going to be the healthier?
( no thats not an invitation to hear all your doggie stories ,lol)
@someone , if God is everything , everywhere and all powerful , then yes he can be logical.
@FieryCJ..Thankyou for your comment and interest.It is a deep topic ,but easy too, in that the proof or outcome is in the pudding ,so to speak.
Man doesnt like the 10 commandments , but Ive yet to see an alernative plan that would realistically benefit everyone , so that fact that is "Religious" therefore contraversial is a cop out ,that is my opinion.
If we were really being politically correct, we would have no problem following the original creeds and values of men who set up governments.
Science bares witness to so many things , its incredible! every new day that dawns testifies to creation and a creator.
Revealing a miracle everyday!
To try to feebly answer the title; Money, and power.
Further, they're not just "replacing" god with science, they're trying to murder God (not literally, but semantically, so to speak).
http://hubpages.com/hub/Murdering-God--for-fun-and
There's a lot of money to be made if you put all of your faith in science, not as much if you don't.
MNichopolis
Thanks for your input. Im sure anything with mankinds approval will always smack of money and more money, we are greedy lil humans are we not!
MNichopolis, I think it's more accurate to say there is money to be made by replacing real science with a pesuedo science,or inferior science ,like those who believed that the earth is flat,or that natural cures for cancer is a hoax.Money is the reasoning behind pesuedo science.God's creation is true science and it costs very little as compared to the fake.We all know the saying an ounce of prevention,is worth a pound of cure.It is so true.
Good point someone. I think if Science is used as a method of enquiry rather than a 'belief system' there would not be the same conflict or confusion.
EK what a excellent hub you really are a great writer. Thumbs up baby!!! By the way I did your pic am just matching the lookalike. xoxox
Well done here, i cannot believe how many people want to try t o replace God with science. they come up with all kinds of theories and what not to try to explain things. God is a difficult subject and so many misunderstand and misuse Him.
Great Hub!
@blondepoet, aww always lovely to see your happy face gracing one of my comments page. Thankyou for the compliment too,but I cannot take the credit,(well maybe for a few minutes ,lol) I have writers like you ,and hubbers above to thank.
Pic , oh help! , no I trust you, lol
@internpete thankyou and nice to meet you . Science is amazing ,and the more a person learns , the more amazing Creation becomes too. I mean for example , our eyes are still more advanced than the next digital camera, and the fact than mankind can know what to research and how to find answers is perhaps the greatest miracle of all. Thankyou for your comments pete.
Actually, this kind of reminds me, when discussing evolution in Highs School, we had two classes to cover the material and So we actually had a Creationists vs Evolutionists debate for the first class. It was great because both sides had to force the other to listen and understand before responding. Neither ideal is perfect, and both pure creationism is flawed, but so is evolution. (In fact, mathematically speaking, evolution as we understand it is impossible.)
I read that what we think of or see as evolution,is done by Angels that create these adaptations to differing environments for a particular species as well as creating new species.This is supposedly how our human animal bodies were evolved over time into the different races we are today.The book I'm refering to is titled "The ultimate Fontier ,by Eklal Kushiana" which is a pen name.
the founding fathers of this country was freemasons,seperation of church and state was one of the first things that the founding fathers wrote down,america was never supposed to be a nation controlled by one religion,thats why we have freedom of religion,religious people should not be in power because they don't think clearly,they might have a dream,are a nightmare and say "GOD is talking to me" we are in the middle of a holy war right now,fighting religous nutcases that think a higher power is directing their cause,when in all reality they are being manipulated by madmen,they strap bombs on their chest and go out and kill innocent women and children all in gods name,dieing and shedding their blood,because their book (which was written by man)promises them a spot in heaven and seven virgins if they die in a act of war.men and women around the world blindly fighting and killing in the name of god because their religous leader told them so,meanwhile the so called prophet is safely tucked away,making videos,and giving out new death orders for the blind to run off and kill some more.religion is the most dangerous thing that man has ever invented,the ultimate form of mind control.God exists,I am sure of that,but it is not the god that muslims and christians are pushing on the world.god is everything.religion is man-made by man to control man.we was created to live our life be happy love procreate and die.the masses are blinded by religion and really need to wake up before the world is destroyed,over nothing.
Kevin Kaos ,Iknow from reading your comments that you didn't mean to say ",america was never supposed to be a nation "controlled" by "one" religion,thats why we have freedom of religion"when you were refering to the constitution.You were really refering to Islamic fanatics.From what I've read certain factions of the U.S.government,call them rogue factions or whatever name you wish,but,there is a counter freedom movement in the U.S. government as well as around the world itself for reason's I think have to do with over population and depopulation tactics such as manufactured wars that have been used all along to not only depopulate the planet ,but to make money doing it,as sick as that sounds,it just may be the truth.If,that is the truth ,then the holocaust's that have occured in many countries for as long as war has been instituted were all to fight for dwindling resources,because of a lack of knowledge on how to properly handle the earths resources,and a flagerant disregard for those resources.I sure you never ment to imply that government should be controlled by religion ,it may be that some people who believe in a religion are in office.I have nothing personaly against that as long as they don't insist that everyone be from a particular religion or any relgion.
No. I am saying that this country was not founded by religous people.George washington,and the other founding fathers was free masons.church and state was supposed to be seperate.that is why we have freedom of religion.it is not our governments job to endorse a religion.I was referring to islamic fanatics,but christians have done just as much in the name of god as anyone.You can't be sitting up in the oval office talking about "GOD TOLD ME TO DO THIS."that's a recipe for disaster.Let people believe what they believe,do not tell people what they believe is wrong just because you say so!you follow what I'm saying.Respect everybody.
Evolution is nothing more than a theory.it has not been proven and cannot be proven,and it should not be taught as fact.because evolution is not fact.it is a Theory.that's why it's called the theory of evolution.that comment was for jane taxpayer.
The powers that be want us to fight and kill eachother because they say the earth can't sustain more than 500,000,000 people.That's why we are constantly at war.That and money.
Has no one else read Kant?
hi there Izombiheartzoey ,I have not read Kant? whats he/she say ?
Just to clarify my previous post, I think EK sort of did, calling Science "psuedo science" - Actually, what they are doing is "real science", since science is defined not by god, but by man (the word itself). And we define this word through our actions. And our actions, in regards to creating our science, are driven by money. So then science is a human activity driven by money.
Science is not the pursuit of truth, or to understand better how nature works. Science is the pursuit of knowledge, for profit. Perhaps we can call this psuedo-science, but the world calls it science, proper (although many don't realize what it actually is).
And since people don't realize what it really is, since people believe it really is the pursuit of truth alone, they place their faith in it, not realizing how the motive of profit has twisted it (and apparently put it at odds with faith).
Perhaps if the pursuit of profit was not inherent in todays science, then (altruistic) science and religion would enjoy harmony.
He says a lot of things. You'll have to read it for yourself. There is not enough room in this box.
MNichopolis , interesting and very well written ,thankyou for your insight!
Izombiheartzoey , yes I will look for that book , however was hoping for a brief decription .The size of the box increases as you type , if that helps . Thankyou for your input here.
Kant was a philosopher from the 1700 who did a lot of the ground work for how religion is thought about. Most of what he has said still resonates very solidly today. He said alot of things, establish solid, practical concepts on how one should make ethical choices. One of the things he said is religion should not interfere with rational thought.
I think the bigger problem is not if religion is killing science or science killing religion. Its science and religion killing philosophy. Psychology and Religion both take awake the individuals responsiblity to make responsible decisions. They make it seem as if the individual is not in control of his actions.
Izombi ,thanks for that info ,ok a philospher. I respect their amazing insight and the father of them all perhaps ,Socrates?....I agree with your last statement too , 'make it seem ,as if the individual is not in control of his actions'...Personally I believe the reason we can think , analyse ,conclude, and file the vast amounts of information we absorb throughout our lifetmes, is because " we are fearfully and wonderfully made". Science is not an enemy ,neither is Philosphy , I guess it all depends on who we worship the most , The Creator or The Creation.
Hey I hope you guys hit the thumbs up on the rate button , means I get a candy bar before the end of the month ,lol.
Hey Kiwi, beware of zombies ;)
I donno how the taking and understanding the responsibility for owns own actions is somehow an act of self worship. The entire heaven system, pearly gates an all is judging you on your life. In order to avoid the hot place, you'd think that the ability to judge one's self is important in making decisions.
How does fearfulness preempt thought?
If Galileo had not looked into the sky with a telescope, all of the Western world might be still under the control of the Roman Catholic Church. If Copernicus, Newton, and all the other scientists had not experimented--often against the wishes and laws of the ruling religious order--we would still be in the Dark Ages.
There is no room in America for any kind of religious law. Ask anyone who has escaped from Iran.
I figure if I find it's good enough to comment on, it's good enough for a little bump. Doesn't everybody? :)
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@ Misha- yikes things that go bump in the night.
Izombi..dont follow you ,sorry , but was saying basically ,that I attribute all the wonderful genius and amazing discoveries from God through people. I do not take away their credit,but I see Science (and tons of other stuff) as signposts to an even greater mind.
Being fearfully made is old english language for " detailed and mindboggling human form/minds' that we have...and we dont even use all of our brains!!
Richard , I believe there is room for both Science and Christianity.
Neither should be forced down anyones throat and both should be accountable.
The problem is no different now than say thousands of years ago , although the subject matter may change,from time to time.
Science is not God, but from God (my opinion)
People the world over run from dictatorships and evil of all kinds, yet they may still hold their faith dear and close to them in reference to your example,( Iran) the USA supports the expression of religious freedom thankyou for your input.
What genius? If your scientific example that we don't use our our brains is true, then how can anything close to real genius happen?
If fearful is defined as something created with a mind that is mind boggling, and we are created in gods image, then what ever would boggle our mind would boggle gods mind?
Not only is your grammar faulty, you don't have a point. What are you trying to make a point about? If you had a POINT (the idea is to have one) then perhaps it could be debated. The next step would be to correct the grammar. What in the world ARE you talking about? And why aren't you including specifics? I'm confused, but then again, since I've been to college, I'm used to an argument making sense...so what are you getting at?
first of all this hub has made us to think about religion and science which are always perceived as opposites in western world. Christianity is one of the religions that can never accept the universe that forms and dies itself, without God or a creator.
Science has disillusioned people who are blind believers and opened up new things that Christianity or any orthodox religion can never think of. If your fear of God or death whatever it is, is that makes your belief, you are a blind to life, the beauty and mysteries of life.
Just from my simple view, the things that I have personally held in my hands and the hours cutting out of stone. Science is the dominant factor. The things I learned in Catholic school, EV Free, Baptist, FCA, and just about every other church, is that Christians are arrogant, bitter, and hateful. My trying to blend science and religion while at my university led to me being ridiculed and told not to lead anymore FCA meetings. I never once was told to leave the lab because I thought there was a god. The only thing science did to me was open my eyes and let me seek the truth. Everything is disregarded as "theory", but you blindly follow an invisible being and a book written by men. It's a theory that the bible was written by divine inspiration. Christian's tell us all the time that we have no proof. Where is yours? I read the Bible and every other religious document I can find. Once it was to find the truth, now it's to know my enemy.
Samthrax..So your point was to tell me youve been to college,and therefore you know how to make a POINT.Grammar is kinda boring to debate I agree,so I declare you the winner,lol.
Hi KevinPeter Thank you for your comments and yes I wrote this hub as my answer and sometimes opinion only to a question that someone else had posed.
I accept everyone has varying opinions and just as non-beleivers perceive a concept differently so do beleivers.
Even people who do not follow a god disagree over scientific theories too.
It is true I have an invisible faith ,I beleive in something I have never seen before.That is what faith is.
It is inevitable to have conflicting situations where there is no respect or understanding. Ignorance is at the base of many conflicts (my opinion)
Thankyou for your input.
Sam , I notice you havent actually written any articles yourself on here , perhaps you should .People in glass houses really should not throw stones.
NICE HUB
Just when I started to think Christians were accepting of other peoples faults. That Christians were compassionate people capable of having understanding and sympathy I'm proven wrong.
Thankyou for your opinions, glad you enjoyed making a comment too.
A portion of the world has chosen to replace God with Religion out of ignorance. Remember ignorance is bliss (at least in this world). It is simple and not deep. To know and act without regard is stupidity; to be ignorant does not know. Stupidity is to know and acting regardless.
Every person is born with a conscious; admittedly some are born with minimum mental capabilities which could subject them to error.
But when the truth is known, to all religions and atheists, "you know in your knower what is right”. The decision to do right stem from your internal knower which God has provided. We all have a choice in good or bad. We all will see the end to our existence and will be held accountable for the decisions made out of stupidity. To use an escape goat of Science, atheism or having no choice is cowardly and lacks integrity.
God gave mankind the ability to have and understand Science. Scientists have been blessed with great creative minds from God that has been a blessing through time via inventions and medicine.
A doctor of mine said every day he prays for the wisdom of God to perform His work. When his work is complete and he has done all things possible a human being can do coupled with Science, the rest is in the will of God and faith of the patient.
God makes his presence to known individually and personally. People have the option to learn about Him through his word, but more importantly through the Spirit which reveals God mystery.
You know this subject has many avenues and opinions. It is one of the great topics which will never go away, till all is aware.
Thanks for allowing my input.
Thankyou Timely -well said!
I find it interesting we discuss and debate religion (or politics) online in this format. Do any of you realize that those who have a particular view that are arguing with someone of a different view are not changing theirs or anyone else's mind's on the issues here.
interesting stuff however. I guess perhaps it is worth the entertainment value.
Nicholas ,thanks for taking part.No I do not believe in argueing or trying to change someone else mind ,because personally I dont have all the answers. I am satisfied with some ,but constuctive discussion is helpful for knowledge and understanding.
Online influence on various topics is difficult to accurately assess ,never the less it does ,I believe have an accepted measure of impact.
I am glad you were interested enough to leave a comment.
I've replaced my relationship with religion with reading the bible. With my knowledge of science and creation itself enhanced my belief in a God.
Good for you someone, God gave us science and scientists do amazing work. I find the more I learn through Science ,nature etc , the more I am in awe of God too.
With my knowledge of language,psychology,and decernment a scrutiny of passages in the bible having to do with violence,predictions as well as parables,metaphors,and allegories.
Whatever works for you. My faith is simple , I either believe in something or I dont. Quite often I find the truth is not that hidden. And I also look at it this way , I love my children and when I want them to learn something , I try to make it easy for them to understand,but in a way that they really understand (for them) thats because I love them , and I beleive God loves us so much more ,so would he make his Love hard to understand? It isnt to me.
What is hard for me to understand is why the bible's old testament there are so many passages that seem to promote violence as the way to protect oneself from those who would do violence against you,and yet those who are victorious such as the isrealites against their persecutors have themselves been become the persecutors themselves.
The old testament is violent and not that interesting as far as reading goes for me. It is more a recorded list of events and who was in rule etc. Also in that time period ,the people asked for prophets and kings to lead them, ( and if they didnt like them assinated them)so like governments in our time , there were many disagreements and conflicts on who was right, Saducees, Pharisees, priests ,prophets.
Jesus came (New Testament) to supersede the law of Moses ,to add too , too fulfil promises and to teach ( since many churches were teaching all kinds of theories by then). God raised Jesus up as Messiah for ALL the people and taught more detail of the commandments (already issued in the O.T).But now they must look to Jesus Christ for Authority and conflicts arise because they are stubborn and want to follow leaders of the past.
THANK YOU, for reminding us ALL how important it is to know the WORD personally! The violence started with Cain. Man has continued to use violence to resolve conflict every since. It has continually gotten worse …
When JESUS CHRIST came HE was strong, FULL OF WISDOM, powerful yet, non violent and exuded the Fruit of THE SPIRIT. As an example He OVERCAME sin in the flesh for all of us and point the WAY. To become a believer is a choice. The WORD tells us that “Jesus is the WAY…...” This is why we need a SAVIOR to help us overcome sin in the flesh! BLESSINGS
From what I've gathered the story of someone with a life story like jesus in the bible can be found in practically every religion on earth.Wheather this is true or not I can't say.
Then there are those who claim the story about Jesus life was made up by the Romans so they could claim to have the one and only true religion or so they say.
I just had to laugh at your comment to Sam, that's all. He should work on his own writing stance as well as grammar on his profile. I've had many comments from people who have not even written a single word. Of course they were all bad, and it's usually from "authorities" in college. I guess my 8 yrs. at real universities can not compare to the community college experience. Glad too see you at least make a stand and have the nerve to put it out there. Keep it up and have fun.
Just got to correct you on one point. You are wrong when you said that Hitler wasn't a Christian. Hitler self-identified as a Christian throughout his life and never left the Church. Indeed he is quoted as saying, "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." Such an approach is fully consistent with that which the Roman Catholic Church had displayed towards Judaism for centuries. There are many other similar quotes from Hitler which reaffirm his Christian faith.
"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."
@DeBorrah K. Ogans Thankyou for your encouraging comments.
It is good to be reminded of all of those significant truths.
@someone , yes ,I am reminded that when I was seeking for the truth, I was amazed at how many well meaning (and some not) claimed to have all the facts. The truth is God has promised ALL who seek him ,to them He will reveal himself.
So if you havent ,I know you will ,and if you have get excited you already know it.
@ Ande , Hey thankyou for your support, means alot and to be honest I didnt relise people felt so strongly opposed, but just reminds me every day that surely this must alert people that a greater force is at work too.
I am so mindful of spellcheck alot these days too,lol.
Thank God there wont be one in Heaven! ,though I am bracing myself to meet my English teacher,haha.
Hi Pete ,Thankyou for reading and someone else also corrected me recently on that very same point on Hitlers alleged faith. I have no doubt he was raised and educated within the Catholic faith, however his actions and heart were definately not 'of God' so I dont accept his views would support Christianity in any way.
When I think about the Fruit Of The Spirit too , Hitler's actions and indeed leadership would be likened to more of that of a 'snake'.
Thankyou for participating and adding your thoughts Pete.
Americans seem to enjoy feeling threatened, even when there is obviously no threat. You can worship who you like but does that make you feel at peace with the universe? No. Because the universe is intent on destroying you(scientists,communists,the devil, liberals, episcopalians, the federal government etc etc). Very strange.
I think a hub on the nature of paranoia in the US is called for. I'd write it but there's no money in banal truths.
Banal Truths
Your chosen avatar suggests you found my hub boring and /or repetitive. Howver true to my values on democracy , I approved your comment and thankyou for participating.
Disappointing that since money is your prime objective for writing ,I wont see the hub you called for written.
I would have been interested in how you arrived at your thoughts and a deeper explanation perhaps.
To your best life-Ekiwi
To answer your question, I don't see it as a battle between the "evil science" and the "holy Christianity." That's a false argument, like saying that there is a battle between men and women. The question is irrelevent.
Why is it so hard for people to reconcile their belief in God with the knowledge that science is simply a study of observing how things work and then trying to find out to explain that? Why is science supposed to be some Satanic trick? I really just don't get it. Is it Satanic to wonder why a flower blooms, or why the stars look like they do? If so, then why? What is there in Christianity that wants people to remain ignorant, lack curiosity about their surroundings, and to focus solely on what the Bible says?
There is more evidence for what real science does than there is for backing up your belief in a God. You accept the Bible without having done the necessary background work to see if what is written there has any factual (and facts = truth!) basis. Show me your evidence that God actually did these things. Show me where the flood was, where Jesus is buried, and who, besides his disciples, actually saw him, talked with him and then wrote about it. Apart fromthe Bible, there is no conventional evidence showing that any of this ever occurred.
You believe because the choice for you is either to believe or not to, not because of actual proof, evidence or discovery. In science it's simply looking at the evidence and proof and making an intelligent, informed decision. It requires thinking, looking critically at what you see, and then forming a decision. Believing the Bible involves only looking at the words and accepting them as true without ever once being able to prove they are true. Science evolves to find better answers, religion just takes the word of the Bible as true, without any evidence or support to actually have the right to believe thst.
So, belief in God is a matter of your choice to accept those words as true. That's fine, but please don't make it into this huge, satanic struggle to replace religion with science. If someone thinks of science as a form of worship, then they misunderstand science in every basic aspect of what it is supposed to be.
Last, but not least, believing in God does not and should never put you at odds with science. There is no reason for such an action. People can be both scientists and CHristians. To say otherwise is simply wrong, false, and as the Bible tells us, do not bear false witness.
Why? Because people woke up! The book is not the WORD of God...no one can claim that. The only reason people think it is the word of God is because the book itself claims it is! That is blind, weak faith! People are waking up and realizing it is ALL a hoax. All religions are.
The battle is not between men and woman ,believer or unbeliever.
Just like to remind some of you folk that I like and am amazed by Science,it helps me praise and understand creation even more.
I dont agree with all of your comments, but isnt it great tha you are free to make them .
Once you discover who GOD really is there is an inner unexplainable , unshakeable inner knowing that HE does exist! Once you accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, HIS WORD takes on a deeper meaning . The TRUTH is so regardless if you believe it or not. I believe that if you are truly looking for TRUTH you will eventually discover God is all the WORD says He is.
God allows us the freedom to choose. Thank you Eaglekiwi for allowing those you do not agree with the freedom to do so. This has been thought provoking.
Evolved - You are just full of contradictions, aren't you?
Early on, you say that the hub is based on a false argument, but then you purport many other false arguments (such as "Christianity wants people to remain ignorant").
It would be easy to cite something like Zeno's paradoxes, and then declare that all believers in science simply believe in it because they choose to (despite the irrationalities at the core of our science and mathematics).
But what does seem true, is that individuals believe in something (even science) for their own, internal reasons - not due to oversimplified sweeping generalizations made by armchair philosophers.
And so perhaps every single believer (in either/both science and religion) have their own highly unique reasons for believing what they do. And I would take care not to say that only one of us is right, consider; If 10 artists stood in a circle around a ming vase and drew what they saw, no two pictures would be identical (all would show different artwork on the vase, etc, some would even show no handles, etc). Although no two perspectives are the same, it doesn't mean only one can be "right".
Regarding evidence, bearing witness, whatever it might be called - Science itself has many evidence problems, for instance, in Quantum Mechanics: http://hubpages.com/hub/Is-there-an-even-better-qu
And if I choose to believe in something that is (perhaps by definition) beyond the human capacity for observation, but is indicated by ancillary evidence (be it the bible, or quantum mechanics), then perhaps I am just one of those well informed people who is, as you say, "ignorant".
Are you refering your comments to anyone in partictular?
Hi EK - yes, the box Evolved" above.
MNichopolis Ok cool
Some scientists have read the end times in revealations and have come up with some believable explanations for the passage where it speaks about the stars falling from the sky and other such statements referring to the movement of the heavens.His rational explanation has to do with the movement of the earth with respect to the stars and other skyward objects as they would be seen by an observer on earth as some kind of earth movement were in progress.It makes perfect since if you think of it from that perspective.
Hi someone , I read something to the effect that a possible Nuclear War ,would also have that same effect. Makes ya think!
True a nuclear war could trigger plate movenents around the entire earth.
The vast majority of famous scientists before Darwin were Christians—Newton, Galileo, Copernicus. Christianity is what caused modern science to blossom because with a worldview that has a Creator; and with a Creator who has established rules for life; it made sense that He made rules for how to the universe works and gave humans brains to discover those rules and thereby discover the incredible creativity of their Creator—to know and understand Him better. There is no conflict because Science studies the physical and cannot, and doesn't try to, explain the meta-physical.
The long march in the last 60 years in Europe and then America has not been to impose Religion—it has been to ban religion.
I read all the comments above, and some of them are wise but boy—some of them blast complete falsehoods with utter hostility, which tells me where their hearts are.
Great Hub! I enjoyed it.
Thanks James appreciate the critique and yep was my first baptism of fire you might say regarding the freedom of expression above. A couple have abused the liberty ,so they can jolly write their own hub now! thanks again for the extra info too!
Eaglekiwi: I too enjoyed your hub. I think you are on the mark and that you gave great answers to those who questioned.
Looks like everything that can be said has been said.
Keep up the good work and making Christ known
In Christ
ABR
Hi Abrushing , Its great to log on and see something positive written thats for sure -thanks for that!
I never relised just how great the opposition could be , in here and in the religious forums.
Still greater is He that is in me , than he that is in the world ,right?
Regards-Ekiwi
It isn't actually science that has replaced, or opposed God. It is scientific theory, which often has to modify or change depending on what is discovered. I have yet to come across a hard scientific truth/fact that is against God. I would love to give a ton of examples, but I know I don't have the time for that, nor will I check back to this discussion all that much. For those so inclined, look up what carbon dating actually is. Look up information on the fact that the magnetic field has been slowly collapsing and has been measured for about 150 years, and what happens when you track that collapse in the opposite direction. Maybe even just apply the "population equation" to the time of Noah and those eight people, and to when scientific theory says man came into existence and compare that to the current population. Thank you for taking the time to write this Hub Eaglekiwi, and God bless all those that have read it.
Thank you for this hub,I know exactly what you are talking about.I as a grandmother know that we are all born with sin, for have you ever told a very small child no,not to do something & he does it anyway & the more you tell them no,the more they do it until you spank their little hand & then they stop?.I have seen this in every child I have ever been around. We all begin with the desire to sin,I'm not saying murder etc.But little things that we grow out of when our mother tells us no a few times or the world teaches us it is wrong.I believe we are born with sin & we are taught good by our parents,teachers & others as we are growing up,but I also know that we are taught evil if we are not corrected young.I also believe everyone has a right to their own beliefs.And I believe that anyone that really wants to know the truth will.We are all intitled to our own opinion.I pray for all of you that had a reply to this hub.God loves you all just as you are,that's why He sent His wonderful Son to die for all of us.Those of us that believe,we believe because we wanted to know the truth.If you think He is not real then why don't you take this test,Get alone by yourself & say to Him,ok God if you are real,prove it.And then say He's not real.For right now you have no proof.let Him prove you right or wrong..You are in for a surprise if you really want to know the truth.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
Linda ,
God Bless you, and thankyou for sharing your loving message to all who want to recieve it. Thankyou for your words of encouragement as they feed my soul and inspire.
I appreciate this Hub Eaglekiwi, No debate here, I LOVE THE LORD, period!!! Blessings!!!
Thankyou drpastorcarlotta Bless you right back!
To the first guy that commented on this hub, saying God has an ego problem, I believe I would too if I created mankind and existence itself. Nice article Eaglekiwi you've stirred up quite a debate! :) keep up the good work
Hi C.Whitaker
Thankyou for your kind comments, I bit off more than I could chew ,lol but thank God his word speaks for itself, and His love endures forever! have a great day n thanks again -Ekiwi
'To blessed to be Stressed'
Great Hub, friend. When I read it I said to myself: It is finger stick into beehives. And it was so.
There is not problem with faith or science. It is problem with those who have an agenda. Hey good "food" for new hubs.
PS. Each scientist has plan, but it is based on the faith. He doesn't not have the result yet, but believe in it...
Thankyou ,yes but thankfully Im not allergic to bees, lol.
I appreciate you reading and your insight!
Wonderful article! I knew I had good taste in peeps to connect with!
Wishing you many blessings for your day...
Lisa
excellent hub good writing
@Lisa thank you and I aim to please ,lol j/k yer very kind ,have a great day too!
@Lgali Appreciate your loyalty in visiting and making comment .Thankyou.
some very passionate comments. Is there only one "right" side?
Appreciate the feedback and I firmly believe that both sides have great merit,just a shame there is so much conflict.
Great hub. I've been pondering those same points for years!
Hey habee ,really great to see you ,thanks for reading an leaving a comment. I wrote the hub in response to a question , which turned out to be bigger than I first thought lol.
Looking back on our history, I really don't see where we had any special relationship woth God to disrupt, nor do I find that in general people felt forced to either be religious or follow science. Where does it say in the Scoentist Bible that "Ye must forsake all other gods and worship only me."? Oh, yeah, there is no Science Bible.
It is perfectly possible to be religious, be that Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, etc., and be a scientist. There is no clause in the non-existant "Scienfic Oath" that precludes worshipping as you please. Yet people who only believe in their narrow confines have made up a science against God argument out of nothing.
Was it evolution that caused the so-called rift? This is at the core of hatred among those who revile science, is it not? Well, believe what you want, and if you want to make Bible-based ideas into science, then follow that paths that lead to scientific acceptance. Merely quoting the Bible does make for science. Sorry, that is just the basic truth.
Science is not out there to prove or disprove God exists, no matter what anyone says. There is no basic line of study in any scientific center anywhere in the world that is studying whether or not God exists. Sorry, that's just another truth.
The argument really should not be Science versus God, but Science and God, since science takes no active role is any religious philosophy or dogma.
I don't believe that America has replaced God with science. There are many people who still believe in God. I am one of them. Of course my definition of God may not be the same as others. I also think that a lot of people here are confused about what being a Christian is too. I have a hub planned for my views on this. Hopefully, you will come read and comment on it once I get it published.
Thankyou for your comments Dardia and I look forward to reading your hub when published.
Just to add to my title a little ,its not black ad white ,but very subtle I believe...
Prayer for example is no longer accepted freely now in mnay Government circles, and many schools will advocate the pledge of alligance but pay lip service to the word 'God'...relying instead to rest on Patritisom rather than Spiritulism, that way Atheism is promoted as liberty?? and encouraged to the maximum throughtout Universities.
These higher places of learning produce our future leaders-and it is with that notion in mind I came to the relisation some months ago that America has ,or progressing that way to replace Science (as a religion) with God...
For those who may misunderstand me ,I respect scientists and the work they achieve ,but I will alwasy honor the Creator above the creation.
Thanks in love -to your best life!
How convenient ,but denies Christ in his full power and supremacy.
The government and a good part of society are doing as you say. There still are many here that believe yet though. Some believe in the Bible, Some believe a leader of sorts and there are those who believe in Christ's example.
My mother once said that all countries have to have their wake up call and it is America's turn.
Well, that is certainly an interesting hub. It touches on many different points, that billions of people fail to touch on when they discuss the topic "god" in the overall. As you already know, I am not one of disbelief or belief. I've not actually formed a belief with regards to a god. I did once have a belief and after my own research of world religions(one of which was Christianity), I learned that no religion in the world was ever inspired by a god. Not one. I'm not going to ruin your hub with my comments with regards to it, so I'll leave it there. Thank you for a good read. :)
Thankyou Cags ,but seriously feel free to express whatever. you want too. Others have.
The freedom to express ones self without fear or retaliation is a gift Im grateful for.
Appreciate you taking the time to read!
Since being on HP, talking to people from the US, I would say that the US is one of the places LEAST likely to replace God with science. There are groups eg in the bible belt, the mormon corridor & the kkk that vehemently oppose evolution, for example. Many in the US can't divorce their religion from their politics, either.
Nothing thought provoking here - just the usual rant about your invisible super being. As for teaching ALL Religion is school - Good grief! Do you have any idea how many different irrational belief systems there are in the USA?
You sure the Hillbillies in your town would be OK with as much time being given over to teaching Voodoo as Xtianity? How naive - no wonder your religion causes so many wars. :(
Baileybear,
Appreciate you sharing how you meet Americans online.Many love to attend Church not unlike any other Western Nation.
One could also say that the more churches in a town,would suggest low crime rates, but living in the deep South for 2 yrs opened my eyes to that myth!! You last comment especially I did notice more in the South. but my hub was focusing on the fact that God was asked to leave the schools,Universities,law courts etc,so wheres the freedom of choice anymore...
Oh me Oh my Mark you acuse me of merely ranting.
Are you not the one repetitively acuse me of 'starting a war'
To be honest dont know why you bothered reading my hub ,guess you were curious why it was attracting interest.
Put Jesus back in the classroom ,and we might have less violence on the streets when hes 18...
Mark-bite me !
This is quite an insightful hub, America has her foundation in God already, I don't really see America science replacing God with science, God is all in all.
Mark is here...
Believing is a choice.
Hi Andrew,
I dont say America does not have God as her foundation,though I do say it has changed.
I also respect Science per se, it is a very necessary topic with worthy great men and women who inform our youth.
But taking God out of the classroom and places of law and redefining its value is disturbing (I feel) actually its a contradiction to the Constitution as well.
Yet by the time a child reaches High School or University he will be well versed in Atheism which is ushered in under the banner of Science and not Religion.
Yes believing is a choice -if the young get to hear the message!
Thankyou for your comments Andrew.
Bite me? Sure - that is what I would have expected from some one who follows Jeebus. Bring back slavery like when Amerika followed the Bible" LOLOLOL
Slavery came from Britain ,how like you to distort facts.
Im glad I met with your expections Mark.
Youre such a funny wee man-Hahaha!
I thought Amerika was founded on God. Now it is Britain's fault Deary me. Get your story straight. No - you never fail to display the type of parochial thinking that causes slavery to be an acceptable value in a society. Britain was very, very religious - oddly - we had very few slaves - unlike Amerika.
Dishonest words such as you are displaying here are the reason I began to question your religion in the first place.
Segregation was made illegal in the US in the 1960s. Co-incidentally - this is the same time mandatory Christian prayers and bible reading were removed.
Still - as long as you advocate Voodoo being taught alongside it - that is fine - right? LOL
More distortion. I will also add that slavery has been practised world-wide. It is not an Amercian thing at all.
However Britain is the older nation ,therefore you do the math.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain_an Im sure there are several other links.
Mark, how shortsighted of you to narrow in one point.
I suggest you show respect, and quit the immature hostility.
Deal with your issues-
Incidently when my children learned about Africa, voodoo was talked about.
I expect kids to be taught objectively ,let them learn about intelligent design AND evolution, not one of the other.
And for Gods sake ,yours and mine ,let them taught basic morals ,not mine ,not yours ,basic-truth ,honesty, courtesy,diligence,integrity.
No use blaming God ,when society has broken families,and increased crime. Hes been fired!
LOL
There is no such thing as intelligent design. LOL
Morals? Teaching children garbage as fact? Sure - that has had nothing to do with society's ills. :(
I am not blaming God - god is a figment of your imagination. You are the one thinks they know what is at fault here.And apparent;y quite happy to pretend it was better when we taught bible in classes - you know - when we had segregation and slavery.
But - great job on ignoring my point that teaching bible nonsense as fact goes hand in hand with such practices as slavery. Britain was very religious then. and god sed slavery is OK. And Amerika is based on British values, not god apparently. :(
How many times do you have to shake the rattle when performing the "How to make sure your baby is a boy-child" spell again? And do you do this before or after sacrificing the goat? LOLOL
This is what you want taught to children in school? Voodoo spells?
No wonder your religion causes so many wars. :(
It is a shame that you didnt even read my Hub and glean the gist of many points.
Instead it pleases you to fabricate your own angry comments.
If your only solution is too critise,mock,twist etc,I would say its not Christianity that has damaged this world ,but aggressive and angry hearts such as yours.
However you think it best to strive for World Peace -I wish you well- Ekiwi
Dear me. Of course I read your hub. You basically attacked atheism, called it a religion and then lied that you wanted all religions taught in school.
This is nonsensical garbage - there are 44,000 different Christian denominations and Voodoo is as valid a religion as yours.
What you really mean is - you want YOUR religion taught in schools.
Yes - I guess I am angry. I don't care how ignorant you wish to remain - but - it angers me that you want to inflict this ignorance on innocent children.
This is child abuse. Your religion is nonsense - why on earth you would want to abuse children by teaching them nonsense as fact is beyond me.
Now address the points I made instead of simply attacking me personally.
The meaning of something will change when you look at it differently. You can look at anything differently and it will have a different meaning.
No, you felt I attacked Atheism.I did attempt to challenge ALL Religions ,or at least have people think about cause and effect.
I dont care if think my opinions are 'garbage'. That is just your opinion.
I keep telling you I dont have a religion ,yet you persist in repeating this fact.I assume its safe to say Mark that you dont believe in God Mark, youre entitled to that decision.
But I will tell you what you are not entitled to.
You are not entitled to tell me what to write ,how to write it or how to express my beliefs!
Not here ,not in the forums ,no where!
I used to work with abused children,so your comment on that shows ignorance.
Believe it or not its not God doing the abusing, its men (sometimes women)..No Religion didnt make them do it!, its people comitting these heinous crimes.
Ive talked to many people ,counselled and assisted many children to safe houses. I walked the talk!
Everyone needs boundaries and sadly the fences are down on moral responsibilties.
Those are some of areas that need supporting, do you at least agree with that Mark (without playing the blame game)
Interesting...and it's confirmed a suspicion I've had about a fellow hubber for a while now - in a very positive way, I might add. :)
Good read, just way too big a subject for one hub to really do it justice. Thanks for taking a shot, though!
Motown
Thankyou for you helful comments. Yes Im looking forward to expanding in a couple of areas sometime.
Glad you had a positive experience too!
phe·nom·e·nal summary to your series of books, Kiwi? :D
James
A Book ,Oh how I wish!
Thankyou James for your positive and refreshing visit ~
To Your Best Life -Ekiwi
I don't think we can blame religion or lack there of for the problems we have in the world. We can blame people. If people used common sense to guide them instead of greed, hate or bigotry then we would see a better world. I happen to be Christian, but I am dear friends with a man who is an atheist. He have more moral values than a lot of so-called Christians I know. I love God and I love Jesus, but I do not have the right to sit in judgement of anyone but myself. I believe what I believe. I think if a lot of believers actually followed their rules they have set for themselves, then the world would be far better place no matter what belief they align themselves with.
Hi My Minds Eye53
I guess my concern is lack of morals being supported through out the education sector, and the low standards promoted throughout the media in general. I dont agree with censorship for adults, but we as a community or nation dont care what our kids learn and see too much either it seems.
I relise it is up to individuals ultimately,but its sad that Mr Businessman has put the almighty dollar above morals...anyones morals,not just Christians morals.
I also wrote this hub because I feel quite strongly in giving kids a fair choice and they only get that by education offering ALL belief systems...and NOT just Scientific theories. Like you I believe in God ,and creation embraces Science for its many descriptions and discoveries.
As much as people protest and remove God from schools and law courts,its not fair to expect that same God to help them out when the pregnancy rates increase ,or violence in communities escalate to dangerous standards.
I agree with you that in the end it is people who mess things up,and it is people who should be responsible.
Thank you for your insightful comments.
To Your Best Life~
What non-believers don't understand is that they do indeed believe in God, they just call him science.
Science doesnt ask for your heart, or that 2,000 question that Jesus asked however.
"Who Do you say I am"
Perhaps you are right in the end.
isn't God everything? isn't everything God? God is the ultimate power, creator of all that we know exists. God makes the rules and sometimes that is hard to live with. But we do have the power of choice. We can choose to accept how we relate to everything else in the universe or deny it. I don't see it as a hard thing to do. I see it as a higher power that lets me be me. All that God asks is for me to be the best me I can. I don't think he wants mindless followers. We are supposed to question. I think we are all supposed to have a different view, one that makes us unique. That is how I feel anyway, I know some will agree and some won't, but that isn't the point. My view is what makes me, me.
We are as unique as the signature God left on us-our thumbprint.
Excellent Hub! Excellent thread. I truly respect the way you 'moderated' the comments. I am now going to see your other hubs.
You have a new follower, with gratitude.
Maralexa
Thank-you very much for your encouragement and wonderfully warm comments.
I look forward to reading your hubs too!
Bravo! This is one dynamite read. You make some important points beautifully.
It saddens me, though, that so many Christians disrespect science and think that science is inherently anti-Christian. It isn't. I like your subheading which brings this home: "God Is Science NOT God versus Science!" Absolutely!
But the real culprit behind all of the tragedies and the finger pointing is ego. This is the source of all evil. This is the false self that must be killed before the true self (the child of God, within) can awaken.
That's not easy. When you threaten someone's ego, they think you're threatening them. Like when someone clings to a false interpretation of the Bible and you attack the interpretation, they think you're attacking the word of God. It's not the same thing.
This year, I learned to spot more easily the face of evil. I see how many of the "conspiracy theories" were right and that the heart of evil resides in Washington and on Wall Street. I see that the prophecies are coming true. It frightens me for all those who are not prepared. And I humble myself to see if I am adequately prepared.
Some may not like the idea of bending their knee to anyone. But God is the creator of this universe. It's all His. That includes these bodies, this planet, this sun and all the other multi-sextillion suns in these billions of galaxies. It would be the height of arrogance and ego not to bend in reverence and love to the Lord.
lone77star
Sorry for the delay in replying to your well thought out comments.
I especially liked what you had to say about Washington and Wall Street,it is an area I know very little about but cant help thinking if its anything like the past affairs of governments (like way way back) then it is the heart of man that remains stubborn and corrupt.
Sometimes people scald me and comment that is a very contraversial area ,but I don't see why discussion for enlightenment can ever be a bad thing ,unless of course like you pointed out,the ego feels offended.
At the end of the day ,we all Peace and Joy and a better world.
Thanks again
Why Is America Replacing God with Science
Pete Maida Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago
For billions in this world God is not Christian. Are they all wrong? How could God have failed to make his presence known to half of the world? Why is it wrong not to be Christian?
I have a problem with a supreme being who will condemn you to eternal agony for not bending a knee to worship him every seven days. According the rules you can live a good life but he you don't bow down your screwed. That to me is ego mania at its finest. I respect everyone no matter their belief and I expect the same in return.
There are too many facts that Christians have claimed to be the word of God that have turned out to be completely wrong. Men of faith have waged wars in Gods name and tortured and killed in God's name. Great centers of learning like the Library of Alexandria were destroyed in the name of God. People of faith have done more harm than non-believers. Saying that there is something wrong because people turn away from a particular belief is not being fair.